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Valeriano Diviacchi's avatar

Given your prior essay on the Articles of Confederation in which you rightly satirized the Founding Fathers as a bunch of creditors worried about getting stiffed, I am surprised and kinda sadden to read this essay now praising them as a bunch of secular holy prophets of humanism. They were a bunch of tax evaders, bootleggers, privateers, black-marketeers, smugglers, slave traders and owners, and traitors before the law who would have been hanged if caught by the secular law you are admiring not by any church law. As with all humans with a will to power strong enough to want to construct a society in their image, they did what they did for their own sense of power and justice. It was successful because of the hypocritical and disingenuous use of Christianity and Christian hoi polloi for their usefulness and not in anyway because of a contradictory struggle against Christianity. Though you pretend not, it seems you may have an unacknowledged love of power and of the powerful yourself for which you search AI history to support instead of actually reading history. Western Civilization is founded upon Christianity. Without it, if humanity were still around which is an open question, it would live at best in an a real dark ages --- not a pretend propaganda one --- consisting of an endless cycle of anarchy to tyranny and back. Though Nietzschean posers pretend to want such cycles, in reality, they would be the slaves of such a world during their short lives to a miserable death.

The Roman Principate and Dominate had become a tyrannical oligarchy that was impoverishing the Western World that was rightly and luckily destroyed by Christianity. They had no industrial, technological, or any other revolution other than eternal exchanges of power by Nietzschean conquerors. Without Christianity, we would have joined the ranks of Asia, Africa, the East, and even the Americas ruled for millennia by warlords, tyrants, warring tribes, and of course emperors. There were no "dark" Dark Ages --- given capital letters by propagandists trying to revise history for their anti-religion motive. No historian in his right mind still uses the term "Dark Ages". The early Middles Ages were a period of social and political invention --- and even technical invention in such areas as farming and sailing that made possible the Age of Discovery. The development of a feudal system in which the Upper Class had contractual duties of protection to the Lower Classes that could be legally enforced by the Church (before the secular courts grabbed the glory) made the transition from ancient tyrannies to the present emphasis on "rule of law" democracies and republics. Because Russia, China, and every other culture in the world lacked this feudal middle era, they all lack any foundation for a culture that respects "rule of law" democracies and republics and they are still struggling to get it. Though lawyers like to trace the rule of law as a modern concept back to the Magna Carta, they all seem to forget that it was Archbishop Stephen Langton of the Catholic Church who came up with the idea of this document in an attempt to force the King to admit submission to Divine Law. You need to read my book "Existential Philosophy of Law" https://valerianodiviacchi.substack.com/p/existential-philosophy-of-law.

Your ridicule of the Church for burning witches and trying to burn Galileo shows your knowledge of propaganda but an ignorance of history. Until a hundred years ago, the Western Churches were made up of the most educated and intelligent persons in society. They did all they could to preserve ancient knowledge until Islam started doing its thing and began burning everything from Persia to Spain. In 785 AD, the Council of Paderborn outlawed the condemnation of people as witches and decreed that anyone who burned a "witch" to death would be punished by execution --- it did this in an attempt to "Christianize" barbarians. For centuries, the Church took the position that witchcraft was an illusion and forbade witch hunts including fighting secular powers who used such hunts and burning to get rid of its opponents. The Church Inquisitions were created in response to the injustices of secular courts and rarely except for the most egregious cases executed capital punishment --- unlike secular courts. You need to catch up on histories written during the last 100 years. Galileo was not threatened with burning for pursuing science, he was threatened because he claimed to have direct knowledge of reality that the learned and educated of the Church knew he could not have. Please read "Against Method"(1975) by Paul Feyerabend who had to admit the Church was right even though he was an atheist. Relativity physics has proven the Church correct: heliocentric or geocentric is simply a question of instrumentalist simplicity and not of descriptive truth (the math for a heliocentric model is simpler thus by Ockham's Razor it is pragmatically truth --- Ockham was a Christian monk). We had the Age of Science because Christianity --- unlike every other religion in history --- believes reason and natural theology find and supports the existence of the Christian God in addition to Faith and revealed theology.

The separation of church and state derives from the biblical "give onto Caesar ...". It was a limit on the federal government not the states. Until well into the 19th Century, all states had a state supported religion financed by a state tax or tithe. Unfortunately, the Church has given up too much power. We now have a situation where secular law has become a religion. You complain about a few people blowing up abortion clinics but not the million babies killed each year as a matter of convenience --- such is the world of secular religion. It is similar to complaining about the fanatics who blew up concentration camps. You have the audacity to complain about Christian atrocities in Lebanon or Bosnia and the like while ignoring that for a millennium once majority Christian communities from Persia to Spain were wiped out by Islamic Hordes in order to create the real Dark Ages that now exist in those areas.

I erred in judging you to be a competent historian.

Isaac Randel's avatar

In fairness, “Atheist” isn’t a word any of these individuals would have used in their own day (and it was a word in circulation). You can make the strongest case for Thomas Paine, but even in his most stringent anti-religious writings, he clarifies his own position as *not* that of an outright atheist. And he played only a background role in influencing the drafting of the actual legal bedrock of the nation.

Jefferson and Franklin certainly qualify as out-and-out deists and said so in their time, but looking at the other framers and signers, it becomes a lot more challenging to label them as anything other than mainstream Christians within a mainstream culture. Nearly all of the signers (minus Jefferson/Franklin) were professed and practicing Christians of one flavor or another; and some of the other men quoted in your poster (like John Adams and Washington) demonstrably had important connections to religious practice their entire lives. Granted, there will be a few quotes here and there expressing a level of skepticism and tolerance that might “look” somehow anti-Christian in isolation, but a balanced reading of the majority of the letters and diaries these men left behind shows that they had more complicated, and largely more outright “religious,” views than not.

Now, how much any of this matters depends on the point you’re trying to make. It’s more complicated than just pointing to the men who wrote the founding legal documents of the country and saying, “they believed this about religion, therefore the country is this.” The fact is, the overwhelming mainstream consensus on religious and philosophical matters in the 18th century was just very different from the consensus of our own day. And that does mean, on a technical sense, that the political and cultural world the founders were helping to shape *was* overwhelmingly, if not entirely, religious (mostly Protestantism brought over from Europe). The level of religious influence on daily life for the average colonist-turned-American would be completely foreign for most of us today. The fact that some of the documents don’t explicitly duplicate the mainstream religious beliefs of the time, doesn’t in itself mean they were “non-Christian” or “anti-Christian” documents. They were working within an altogether different consensus, and that consensus explicitly played a role in shaping their thinking.

What this means for *our* culture is more of a philosophical argument. I don’t think anyone is arguing that our modern society needs to match the exact contours of 18th century American society. It’s unfair to caricature the founders and their beliefs on this question in any particular direction — but if you do want to build a historical argument, you do at the same point need to acknowledge the deep role played by religious institutions in shaping cultural (and philosophical) practice during the time of the country’s founding.

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